It's amazing how people blame the union. It just goes to show how people don't ever pay attention to what happens in your community. I don't think the union had anything to do with her not performing her job correctly. Give me a break this was the third time her job was on the line. And the first two had nothing to do with the union and neither did this. If you ever paid attention to your commission meeting or workshops you would know this was actually over the water rate issue and how she did not do her job supplying the commission with he correct information. I think if more people would actually show up or at the very least watch those meetings there would be less blame being passed around. Mr Denny if you run the city and actually pay attention to what your staff and administration is doing you should be just fine sir. Mrs Miller was way under qualified.

Dave Denny watch your back with this nitwit Nabicht and the union bozo's. They will stick it to you just like they did Faith and the city.Make Doug Lovell proud of you.

Oh but the way we need more dollar stores and McDonald's

welcome to Deltona I've lived since I was 7yrs old ,I was told by a realtor friend to watch out that Deltona has the potential to be the biggest slum in Florida . Get rid of the city charter and go back to the county.

I have read all of these post and for someone who thinks they are so right and keeps arguing with all of the other people making post who have given figures and information I myself was actually able to find. Where is your figure/ facts I can not seem to find anything that backs up anything you have said good luck

Would the City of Deltona be obligated to cover any shortfalls with the Fire Fighters pension?

It’s a Yes or No question

@ Good Luck you are a little bit out of touch with reality my friend & here is why. There are national standards NFPA that should be met by our FD & I commend the city for trying to meet or exceed these standards, unlike the FD’s of Volusia County, Orange City/Debary. So with them meeting or exceeding that standard they save us tax payers a lot of money in wrongful death & negligence suits. As for things being safer now who are you kidding? Things today are made up of synthetics, polymers & glue, even though they meet the UL ratings doesn’t mean that they are safer, especially houses. As for transport it is very simple we as taxpayers are paying for those FF’s who are EMT’s, paramedics & are certified state firefighters, unlike the majority of those on EVAC. EVAC is a 1 trick pony, we as taxpayers get more bang for our dollar if we have the FD transport, not to mention those duel certified FF’s on the transport units would help the city meet or exceed that national standard. As for DFD retirement those men & women pay 8% of their pay to their pensions far more than the 401K people, oh not to mention their actual benefits do not meet or exceed those benefits of a general employee or city manager.

I find it very amusing of some of the comments about pensions & firefighters in the comments section, even though this article has nothing to do with either. I would suggest to you pension bashers who are against any defined benefit pension why don’t you go & look at all the pension plans of the past 30 years & look & see which plans actually kept people off of the government teet… I can assure you it isn’t those with just a BS 401K type pension which was actually designed to act as a supplement to a person’s actual defined benefit retirement. So I can’t bash anybody for putting 5-15% depending on what is recommended of their pay towards their retirement in a defined benefit plan, whereas you people with just 401k type pensions put only around 5% of their pay into it. It’s no wonder your complaining about the hit you took when the market crashed even though those people in the defined benefit plan took just as much of a hit, but they steadily continued to put their 5-15% of pay into their retirement plan why??? Because a defined benefits retirement system works for everyone. As for bashing the firefighters or police officers for one reason or another all’s I can say is really??? They all do a job most people wouldn’t or couldn’t do in some way or another. So instead of bashing them why don’t we all say thank you for your dedication. As for blaming the unions for anything that’s just plain ridiculous, the state of Florida has collective bargaining rights yet it is a right to work state do you know what that constitutes beggar’s rights here in Florida & they can’t strike. So I would say take your union bashing ways back to Wisconsin where they will be welcomed with open arms. In closing I suggest you pension, firefighter & police bashers do a lot more research on your own and do not always rely on everything you hear on MSNBC, CNN or FOX (FAUX) news.

As previously stated I have done my research and what were discovered are a bloated fire union and a city too stupid to realize that the overstaffed DFD is running rampant with overtime, benefits, retirement and equipment.

Now the DFD wants to takeover transport to justify overstaffing because large fire departments have become obsolete thanks to safer products (UL), better building construction and fire retardant in our day to day supplies.

The union will be proud, you regurgitated all the propaganda as instructed. Unfortunately you ran across someone who has done the research and is not easily dazzled with the B.S. of firemen running into burning buildings or how the garbage man makes over $100k a year or my personal favorite, the DFD is only 2% of the city budget.

Like I said do your research and you will prove all of your assumptions wrong. There are no scare tactics here everybit of info I have provided can be found. Do yourself justice and educate yourself. And as for medical call the reason we run those call is because it would be more cost effective for the citizens of Deltona is the county would let go of the menopoly called EVAC and allow cities to transport which in return would off set the budget for all the different city fire department. And by the way again do some research the county has not really taken over EVAC. Check out sunbiz. Org and EVAC is still registered as a non for profit which is illegal. Plus if you actually do some research you can find the county contract with EVAC where they so say took over EVAC. All the did is try to hide the corruption. See the contract states in a round about way that the county will take over EVAC but will lease there ambulances back to EVAC for a small fee. It also says that the county will absorb all of EVACs bank accounts excempt for one which only one paycheck comes out of. Not going to name any name but do the search and you will find out. So I see you as more than likely someone who would benefit from that monopoly and is not willing to find actual fact instead jut state opinions. So in all sir or miss are not worth my time.

Like I said do your research and you will prove all of your assumptions wrong. There are no scare tactics here everybit of info I have provided can be found. Do yourself justice and educate yourself. And as for medical call the reason we run those call is because it would be more cost effective for the citizens of Deltona is the county would let go of the menopoly called EVAC and allow cities to transport which in return would off set the budget for all the different city fire department. And by the way again do some research the county has not really taken over EVAC. Check out sunbiz. Org and EVAC is still registered as a non for profit which is illegal. Plus if you actually do some research you can find the county contract with EVAC where they so say took over EVAC. All the did is try to hide the corruption. See the contract states in a round about way that the county will take over EVAC but will lease there ambulances back to EVAC for a small fee. It also says that the county will absorb all of EVACs bank accounts excempt for one which only one paycheck comes out of. Not going to name any name but do the search and you will find out. So I see you as more than likely someone who would benefit from that monopoly and is not willing to find actual fact instead jut state opinions. So in all sir or miss are not worth my time.

Like I said do your research and you will prove all of your assumptions wrong. There are no scare tactics here everybit of info I have provided can be found. Do yourself justice and educate yourself. And as for medical call the reason we run those call is because it would be more cost effective for the citizens of Deltona is the county would let go of the menopoly called EVAC and allow cities to transport which in return would off set the budget for all the different city fire department. And by the way again do some research the county has not really taken over EVAC. Check out sunbiz. Org and EVAC is still registered as a non for profit which is illegal. Plus if you actually do some research you can find the county contract with EVAC where they so say took over EVAC. All the did is try to hide the corruption. See the contract states in a round about way that the county will take over EVAC but will lease there ambulances back to EVAC for a small fee. It also says that the county will absorb all of EVACs bank accounts excempt for one which only one paycheck comes out of. Not going to name any name but do the search and you will find out. So I see you as more than likely someone who would benefit from that monopoly and is not willing to find actual fact instead jut state opinions. So in all sir or miss are not worth my time.

We've all heard the tag line of how fire fighters run into burning buildings and LEO’s charge after bullets.

The facts are very clear, public safety is the largest expense the City of Deltona has. Truth be told, the ad valorem tax the city collects doesn't cover public safety. Yet you would have us believe that the fire department is only 2% of the city budget.

Furthermore, the vast majority (86% +) of the calls the Fire Department responds to are medical even thou the County handles EVAC.

You would also have us believe that the garbage men make more than a Deltona Fire Fighter, once again being misleading. Just as you tried to imply that the FD pension doesn't have a built in guaranteed growth/profit while the rest of us poor saps deal with the fluctuating market sucking the money out of our 401K.

For the record, don't assume that I haven't already done ride alongs! Watching the FD crew get paid to study for the next pay-grade test or watch TV between calls isn"t very productive

The fire union is playing games and when all else fails, fall back on scare tactics.

I would not consider yourself that informed. Considering we are not all paid that well. If you sir or miss only knew. You have not done any research or you would not be saying that. It is really sad when I can truthfully say that the men who pick up your garbage make almost 100 thousand a year compared to the average firefighter in Deltona or any county deputy who makes under 40 thousand a year. So to me sir you are not a informed tax payer but just a individual who has nothing better to do that try and bash hard working individuals. And by the way I'm not talking on behalf of any union. I am talking on behalf of all public safety employees. I pray for you, I pray that you never have deal with any of the things police officers or firefighter have to deal with on a daily basis for that fact that you have no idea what we actually do. I will go one step further. Why don't you actually put ur actions where your mouth is and come do a few ride alongs with the fire department or the sheriffs office. Then sir you will have the knowledge to speak up on topics like this until you can muster up the energy to do so like I said you are not anything close to an informed anything.

Loss of life or property! That’s the old standby scare tactic fire unions have been using for decades to milk the taxpayers.

Believe me I have researched the expense of the Deltona Fire Department and its nothing more than a bunch of overpaid guys getting paid to watch TV and shop at Publix using the fire truck.

Check out the cities CAFR my friend and do the math on the budget. And my pension is a private plan that I more than likely pay more into than your 401k. And if you want to do some more research while your at it in the state of Florida, FSR and private 175 and 185 pension were funded 90-94% by the employees meaning fire, police. And I will tell you right now outside of our sister city orange city volunteer department are not that cost effective when is comes to loss of life or property hint the trend majority of fire department not being volunteer.

Seeing as you know all about the union do tell us, did your pensions take the same economic hit like the rest of us working stiffs 401K?

I’m not sure what part of the fire department only takes 2% of the city budget. Clearly there is a self-serving need to be deceptive.

It’s time to dismantle the fire department and use a more cost-effective volunteer system. If it wasn’t Deltona FD unnecessarily responding to medical calls they would have nothing to do.

Correction Deltona FD wins. The fire department is actually only 2 % of the cities over all budget. And the fire department union actually made the offer 4 years ago to a status quo contract with no pay raises and a freeze in steps and the city (faith miller) decided to fight that spending well over 200,000 dollars. With in that time Mrs Miller received a very very nice raise and three Of the four years there were many other city employee who received pay raises. Again lets get our facts right.

A study done by The International City/County Management Association (ICMA) found that one of the biggest factors in city manager turnover was the local economy. In bad economic times, city managers often receive the blame for a city’s decline, and can be asked to leave.

On the other hand, if a city experiences boom times and its economy takes off during the tenure of a particular city manager, that individual is much more likely to be head hunted by cities looking to give their own communities a boost. This same ICMA study found that the national average for city manager tenure is seven years, an average within a wide range. Just as in any profession, some people will change positions quite often, while others will settle in on their first assignment and never leave.

If there is a change in the elected leadership, city managers may find themselves fighting to keep their position, and unfortunately, on occasion, a major overhaul in the City Council is often followed by radical changes in management. Often this is no reflection on the city manager’s historical performance, but rather an unavoidable part of a city’s evolution.

Still other times it is simply time for a city manager to move on for personal reasons. The skill set developed in local government management often leads people toward careers in financial planning, nonprofit management, education or public advocacy. As in any other profession, careers grow and change with time, and it is important to respect that, to follow passions and interests.

City managers are hit by of a trifecta of pressure every day, coming from the public, the city’s employees and the elected officials. They facilitate everything from graffiti clean up to the building of a new overpasses. It is challenging work, to say the least and pretty much a thankless job. Basically like politics. If your lucky, 50% of the general population will like and support you at best.

But if you’re passionate about your city, willing to pour yourself into it, and at the same time are able to make space for your own personal wellbeing, odds are you will thrive. In other words: you have to really care, but not too much.

It's no surprise. A city manager's job is only as secure as the next commission.

Deltona fire department put Nancy and Chris into office and are now collecting the payback. Watch and see what happens with the fire union contract that has been in negotiation for over three years.

The fire department is largest expense the

city has with payroll and pensions.

I move that we abolish the Fire Department and start a volunteer Fire Department.

"Hopefully, Deltona will hire a guality individual."

Exactly what is a guality individual. You may want to learn how to write before you try to act intelligent!

This is like a re-run of a bad B movie. Deltona does it again. We are paying top dollar for Nabicht revenge and we get to pay him a big fat pension and pay for his revenge too.

Mrs. Miller wasn't alone in defending the water/sewer rate increases of 17.25% for 5 years the acting city manager Denny was very prominent along with Dennis Mulder and the other idiots, they said we had no choice and voted for it. How many will hold it against Mulder when he runs for office, again? If she was wrong for the job who fought to put her in office? Who said she was capable of doing the job? Who negotiated her contract. It was one man, Mulder.

In the end the person hurt the most is US, the taxpayer, Again.

I do resepect her for wanting to end it without dragging the city through the mud like is usually done.

Chances for deltona staying out of the negative spotlight because of the new commisssion have been blown to ****. This city is cursed.

Seriously?? she made almost 4 times what a normal Deltona resident makes in one year and she is worried about getting by? Give me a break. Good bye and good riddance. NO ONE is worth that much money, and not in Deltona....

Thank you Deltona for being the JOKE of Volusia County.

Just FYI to everyone. She did not do all that great of a job. She aloud hundreds of thousands of dollars to be spent on outside legal efforts to strip the first departments of the city of all of there pay and benefits for no reason. That department actually was trying to save the city money by not taking any raises for the last 4 years while several other pay raises were issued including Mrs. Millers herself. How about we get facts straight. The city is far from broke with over 20 million dollars in reserves. I think more people need to excersize their right for public information request. You will find out a lot of shady things she has aloud. And for the mayor he is just upset because Mrs. Miller was his puppet he pretty much ran the city through her. Why pay a city manager if he is going to do that. Well actually mr mayor you have the least amount of athority out of any of the commissioners per the cities charter. The only reason you are up there is to make sure the meetings are ran correctly and to break a tie. So get off of ur power trip and let the next city manager actually run the city.

It is pretty simple. This is what happens when a city manager participates in paying millions more on Howland Crossing over market rate and provides false information about 17.25% x 5 year water and sewer rates. Remember, she was steadfast in her comments that lowering the rates would put the water company in jeopardy. Turns out she was terribly wrong according to the recent rate study.

It would have required 5 votes to fire her, not 4. She must have thought there were 5 votes because she has worked most of her time in the position with a four commissioners not thinking she should continue.

That said, I have not been impressed with her job performance. She would have never gotten the job under normal circumstances. However, her resignation without a lot of fuss was probably one of the smartest things she did for her and the city.

She definitely is not a victim. I hear she will get $250,000 for severance and benefits due to poor negotiating of past administrations. I am glad that current State Law prevents such sweetheart packages. Severance now is limited to 20 weeks.

I also applaud the city commission for not airing their dirty laundry. Now if they show maturity and hire a qualified city manager based up qualifications and benefit to citizens and not to further one persons agenda.

The resignation is truly good for Deltona. Can you imagine the second largest city in Central Florida having a city manager who doubts she could get a job elsewhere. It is not because of her age. I know quite a few 56 year olds whose age would be an asset because of their knowledge and experience.

No way this could have went down so peacefully unless the Commission was communicating out of the sunshine.Faith stood silently and faced all these elected idiots and their political and personal agendas for years. Good luck Faith, you did a great job putting up with these children.

The last time I looked, Commissioner Nabicht was not part of the 'God Squad.' What a silly comment by Rusnuts.

The handwriting was on the wall once Nabicht got in. Schleicher does what he says and Lowry and the vice mayor were a no already.

Hopefully, Deltona will hire a guality individual.

The reason that Chris Nabicht ran for office was to get revenge on City Manager Miller for personal issues. He knew there were 3 loose-cannon votes on the commission to fire her, and he wanted to be the 4th. I hope he's happy and I hope the other 3 will be overjoyed when they see what kind of person they find for that underpaid, overworked and thankless position that requires constantly defending yourself against petty, unsupported and perceived "errors." It's a job no sane person would want. Just imagine having 7 different bosses, all of whom have egos the size of Texas, and all of whom have to worry about being re-elected the minute they get elected. They are in the public eye so what do they do? Blame everything on the city manager, who can't fight back. It's the same in every city, and only because Ms. Miller had grace and competence under pressure, did she last as long as she did. Final word? Ask those who worked for her.

Sensible people don't run or are run off by the robots protecting their interests.

Wow, how many city managers have been let go in the past 5 or 10 years of Deltona? Can't keep track of all the people. Let's she - the mayor doesn't know anything - but someone told her to pack her bags. She quit but got full severance pay. Wondering if one of the God squad forced her out. I'm so tired of the politics and immature brats running this city. Wish the residents would have voted more sensible people in on the commission. A bunch of mind numbed robots in this city.