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Patriarch and grandson — Bernie Goldstein and grandson Michael Goldstein tour Downtown DeLand Sept. 22. They want to build and run DeBary Downs, a quarter-horse track and poker room in DeBary.

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The vision for DeBary Downs — The developers say DeBary Downs won't be just a pari-mutuel facility. As shown in this concept plan, it will offer Grand Floridian-style architecture, restaurants and other entertainment venues, a hotel and lots of open space. The developers promise it will also be easy on the environment.
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By Pat Hatfield
BEACON STAFF WRITER

posted Sep 24, 2008 - 10:46:29am

The developers of DeBary Downs have the state's OK, but still face a public-opinion hurdle before they can proceed with plans to build a pari-mutuel operation on the south end of DeBary.

With a freshly signed state permit in hand for their planned quarter-horse track at Dirksen Drive and U.S. Highway 17-92, the Goldstein family will return to the DeBary City Council.

The Goldsteins operate Green Bridge Co. of Bettendorf, Iowa. They will bring the DeBary City Council freshly revised conceptual plans for DeBary Downs, the facility they've been trying to get off the ground all year.

DeBary Downs is to have a poker room in addition to a horse track, but Green Bridge can't apply for a card-room permit until the racetrack is built.

The younger member of the Goldstein family, Michael, is already living in DeLand, preparing to supervise the project. His grandfather Bernie Goldstein was also in West Volusia Sept. 22-24, looking over the property and hoping to ease the public's concern about a gambling facility.

"It's not a casino project," Bernie Goldstein said.

There will be no slot machines or other games, only horse races and a poker room. Poker-room wagers will begin at $5 for an ante and go up to a maximum of $45.

Bernie Goldstein has been involved in businesses in Iowa and Illinois for most of his adult life. He joined Alter Co., his father-in-law's scrap-metal company, in 1951, shortly after graduating from law school. He later expanded into barges and other transport-related enterprises.

On April 1, 1991, Bernie Goldstein retired. "Bored stiff," he said, he got into riverboat-gaming operations, launching Diamond Lady and Emerald Lady on the Mississippi River.

Diamond Lady, he proudly said, was "the first gambling boat in the country."

In 1993, Bernie opened the first Isle of Capri casino in Vicksburg, Miss. There are now a handful of Isle of Capri casinos around the country, including one at Pompano Park in Florida.

Green Bridge Co. is a separate, privately-held company that will focus on horse tracks.

Bernie Goldstein said the family has a strong track record. He and grandson Michael emphasized they are not fly-by-nighters; they want to be part of the community.

They chose DeBary based on demographics, Michael Goldstein said, after a statewide search.

"We looked at population numbers, disposable income and proximity to other establishments," Michael Goldstein said.

They also looked at the surrounding areas and the planned stop across the street for commuter rail, which could help draw visitors from Orlando, if it's built.

Not just a place to make bets

Attorney Ty Harris, representing DeBary Real Estate Holdings/Green Bridge, said "We're not solely focused on the track and card room."

The card room will be a "golden goose," he said, but just source of the revenue. Other activities will be designed for the community, including an entertainment complex, fairs, barrel-racing and other equestrian events, and a farmer's market.

Sensitive to community concerns about traffic on Dirksen Drive, the site plan was redrawn to move a hotel away from the corner of Dirksen Drive and U.S. Highway 17-92. The main entrance will now be on U.S. 17-92 instead of Dirksen Drive.

Harris said DeBary Downs will bring new money for the city's projects — about $400,000 a year in property taxes, plus 2.5 percent of the gross revenue.

The Goldsteins believe DeBary Downs, on the south end of DeBary, will create about half the traffic of the Town Center complex already approved for the property. Also, they said, DeBary Downs' planned grassy and natural areas will be more environmentally friendly than the shopping center and multifamily development.

"We see this as a good project for the community, and we're going to be a good member of the community," Michael Goldstein said.

DeBary Downs will bring 100 new jobs in the beginning, and add more as the facility expands.

Going against the competition?

Volusia County already has gambling facilities, and one of them has been active in opposition to DeBary Downs.

Delaware North owns the Daytona Beach Kennel Club, 30 miles away in Daytona Beach. Yet, that company has backed a group called Committee for Open Government, which put up a large billboard across the street from the DeBary Downs site, and generated a flood of phone calls and e-mails to DeBary City Council and Volusia County Council members, along with fliers and radio spots opposing the DeBary facility.

"It's the pot calling the kettle black," Bernie Goldstein said.

Kennel Club operators did have one talk with the people at Spring Garden Ranch in DeLeon Springs about running pari-mutuel operations at that horse track, but nothing has come of it, Kennel Club spokeswoman Rachel Gustafson said.

She said she knows nothing about claims that Delaware North or the Kennel Club jumped in and took the Internet domain name www.DeBarydowns.com before DeBary Downs could. The company does sponsor a Web site called www.noDeBaryDowns.com, which is published by the Committee for Open Government, she said.

"The Daytona Beach Kennel Club is still very much in the middle of making sure the public is educated on Green Bridge, DeBary Downs and what it could mean to DeBary," Gustafson said.

While she understands some people might see Delaware North's activities as an attempt to stifle competition, Gustafson sees it differently.

"The Kennel Club is a long standing part of the community," Gustafson said. "They're not looking to go into the neighborhoods of West Volusia."

The Kennel Club is attached to a larger metropolitan area, away from little neighborhoods, she said.

"This will be in the middle of a tight-knit community," she said of DeBary Downs.

The DeBary Downs people disagree. The property, just west of Gemini Springs, is out of DeBary's neighborhoods. It's near a power plant, a couple of parks and a convenience store, attorney David Romanik, also representing DeBary Downs, said.

City Council members will decide the fate of DeBary Downs, and they promised to listen to the residents of DeBary.

pat@beacononlinenews.com

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JuliAnn | posted Oct 8, 2008 - 5:00:43pm
Monies received off the tax base of this development will go to providing the services this development needs, as well as fighting crime, prostitution, homeless shelters, stopping drugs, and providing social services for those that cannot help themselves around gambling establishments. Oh, yes - this will create jobs. THOSE kind of jobs. Go look at Southern California and what happened to nice little family communities that let card parlors come to town! What happened to the social fabric of their communities. And let me ask you folks - do you really want to take the family and grandkids to "Restaurant Row" in the gaming area? Or how about the retail area where the folks who have just lost their bundle are hanging around? What kind of an example will they be to parade your kids around in? These developers can draw all the pretty pictures they want, but it won't be like that. I noticed they even put pictures of the Grand Floridian in their proposal as an "example" of the architecture. I helped build the Grand Floridian and there is not a prayer in *$## that they are spending that kind of money. In DeBary we can't even eat out enough to keep a good restaurant open, so they are either planning on providing a LOT of gambling there to pay for all of that, or they are going to build cheap structures that will look like *$## in a few years. Wise up folks! Someone is making money on this - and it's NOT the citizens of DeBary! These are not folks who are here to develop our beautiful community because they love us, they are here to make money on what we allow them to take from us!
Brenda | posted Oct 5, 2008 - 1:10:15pm
This would be a sad day for DeBary if this

is allowed. We need to upgrade,not downgrade.

Jimmy Smith | posted Oct 4, 2008 - 12:43:54pm
We need this in Debary, this would be a huge boost to our area. Let's go Debary Downs!
Barbara | posted Oct 3, 2008 - 10:52:36am
As a professional poker dealer, I am looking forward to DeBary Downs opening. I will be one of the first to put in my application. I moved to Florida 2 years ago and now work in a poker room at a dog track. Ever since I have been there, we have never once had any crime in our poker room or in our area that would be related to the poker room. Opening DeBary Downs would bring more revenue to the city and bring a wonderful form of entertainment for those who love to play poker. I wonder how many of those people opposing the opening of this poker room will wind up playing there when it does open? Hmmmmm !!! If anyone knows how to get an application into DeBary Downs, please let me know by posting a message on this board. Thanks.
michael | posted Sep 30, 2008 - 3:04:28pm
this project is a disgrace we dont need this because we will also get crime. they should put a grocery store there.
Dave | posted Sep 29, 2008 - 12:27:55pm
I am a poker player. Go to Daytona often. Would rather not have Debary Downs built. Why, crime, traffic, reduced home values. The Goldstein's haven't looked very closely at the surrounding area. To name a few developments (all within a mile), The Reserve, Springview, Parkview. Plus there are quite a few homes not in subdivisions right along Dirkson and the mobile home park down 17/92. All very close to the proposed location of Debary Downs. What happens to those home values? Can't imagine they go up. I'm not against gambling. But don't put it close to neighborhoods. Daytona Kennel club is not near homes - why should Debary Downs. Put it out away from everything, put it somewhere else. Council members should not vote on the all mighty dollar alone. Use your head's and think what this will do to the city long term.
Very Sad, very mad | posted Sep 29, 2008 - 10:41:09am
Gambling brings in trash, and creates desperate people that commit crimes. My home value has sunk enough. I pray this fails.
Michael | posted Sep 27, 2008 - 5:51:42pm
+ high paying jobs

+ entertainment

+ tax revenues

+ better than more and more homes

+ benefit for all west Volusia

=

Welcome Debary Downs!!!!!!!

not happy | posted Sep 26, 2008 - 3:07:19pm
we have to protect our home values, we can't even as a city fix the drainage issues that we went through in August, we don't need it, don't want it and need to focus on our failing economy and our schools, Leave Debary alone go somewhere else.
responsible growth | posted Sep 26, 2008 - 9:38:43am
Looks like a beautiful project that will attract much needed business and generate much needed tax dollars. Good luck DeBary Downs.
Mike | posted Sep 25, 2008 - 2:02:06pm
Something is going to be built there. Those that think this will remain a "green space" are short sighted to what the city wants to do. "Shopping Center and Multi-family development" That means apartments. Commuter rail stop also. Debary has enought houses, let's add some business.
jack | posted Sep 25, 2008 - 12:29:43am
it appears that there is a lot of opposition to GAMBLING in our town. The alternative may be worse. Is debary ready for 30 to 40 residential units per acre? Our council just spent several thousand dollars on a study that supports these densities. The county would like nothing more than to shove Transit Oriented Development down our throats. it will probably happen.

This project has the potential to provide 10 times the needed tax base without overcrowding our schools, our neighborhood streets, or our flood prone closed watershed basins.

This is a chance for Debary to be a part of the house; the winning side of gambling. We can collect huge amounts of tax revenues that will help us dig out of the hole we are in and enjoy some much needed atmosphere. I support this project and look forward to a fun time just down the street. if you agree with me make sure you make yourself heard.

Amanda | posted Sep 24, 2008 - 6:54:03pm
Seems like the people that own Debary Downs is little ignorant of Debary. There is a small neighborhood near Gemini. Get your gambling garbage out of here and take it to Vegas.
Zeke | posted Sep 24, 2008 - 2:13:01pm
Funny, I see plenty of nice houses very close by as well as the entrance of Gemini Springs, where I bike. Nothing personal, if I want gambling, I would move to Vegas. We don't need this here messing up what little green space we have left.

Wilson | posted Sep 24, 2008 - 1:12:40pm
I love the fact that the Debary Down people automatically disagree that it will be near a small neighborhood. Yet there is a small neighborhood right across the street. Why temp people to lose more money on gambling in this fractured economy. The way I see it and I'm sure many others see it that gambling is a dirty form of entertainment. Gambling brings unwanted problems to certain neighborhoods. Debary is quiet and that is the way we like it.


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